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Post by Lacky on Jun 22, 2023 13:30:08 GMT
In-game name (when you were banned): Ninja (It's a friend of mine, details come in the end) U.S.G.N. ID: 187567 STEAM ID (if applicable): Ninja Server: All of them Logs/Screenshots to support your ban:   (might look tiny, I can send it on discord if it can't be fixed / zoomed in) What happened that got you banned: I have no idea, my friend has been banned since a long time for no explained reason, I cannot discuss whether it's just abusing power or a mistake because they simply won't give in. I remember back in 2020 punishing someone for ban evading after they massively-freekilled. I was being asked "why why why why" every single time, and in the end, I have been warned for not giving out the reason and instead keeping up with my duty (abusing on ban evaders until they quit, since I wasn't yet able to ban and kicking wouldn't help). I don't know about any of you, but I expect more from an admin, and this, is exactly the same. An user has been applying for unban since 3 years, they have been asking further details on why the ban was given, however, the same guy that applied the ban doesn't want to give details and is instead retaining the punishments. Does this make any sense? Is this something an administrator should do? Why is this even happening? Well, I have no idea, because, after many attempts of contacting for any sort of help, I haven't been given a single piece of clue. I came with the idea of making an unban apply for him, because of how much he was getting ignored, I hope this is enough to support him, it surely is as best as I have thought, it's not like any staff member helped any better than I did. Also, did I say how much ban evaders were unbanned after a period of time but Ninja isn't? Why would someone ever write an unban application when they can only just ban evade until they get their punishment revoked? Why would this page even exist without anyone following the rules nor anything When you got banned (We need dates, "last month", "2 years ago", etc won't cut it): Since Late-2020 (3 years ago) |
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Post by Mami Tomoe on Jun 22, 2023 17:18:10 GMT
Oh my, I was so confused when I saw Lacky posting in the name of ninja . Well, I will not conceal why ninja is banned without a valid reason to anyone that isn't ninja , and ninja never asked me. Although the above doesn't really matter, because if you'd take a look at his unban appeals of the past, you'd know why he was banned. For reference, in his first application, We had found you commenting on CS2D hack videos on YouTube, with a few other members of the community claiming you were a hacker. And you had DDoS threats as nicknames ingame. which ended with: Rejected, you haven't visited the forum since posting the application. Right here we already have a few valid reasons to reject ninja the first time. These alone are enough to keep someone out of our servers permanently, although I do think there is a room for ninja to reform since he used to be a staff member, and we obviously know that humans can improve themselves. And yet... We kept rejecting him, I wonder why? In his second application he stated that he got banned due to... What happened that got you banned: I commented on a cheater's video Which is not the entire reason, and as a reminder, We had found you commenting on CS2D hack videos on YouTube, with a few other members of the community claiming you were a hacker. And you had DDoS threats as nicknames ingame. This was the last post by elfing on ur old unban request what you can say about this ? and after replying stating your innocence instead of admitting guilt to something we already had proof of... Could you finally acknowledge your mistake? You've directly supported a hacker by downloading his crappy cheating tool instead of ignoring that video. You could've moved on instead of asking for details, so others could use them as well. You're not getting unbanned until you realize what you've actually done. Rejected.You'd think that by now ninja would know what's preventing him from being unbanned, right? Well on his third application... What happened that got you banned?: I don't know honestly, there was a rumor that he was using hacks/cheating. I just started playing to improve with Mixs, practicing moves on public servers and putting it into practice on Mix.
When you were banned (we need dates, "last month", "2 years ago", etc. is not enough): more than 3 years ago.
I was a Jail server moderator for a while, I don't understand why the ban did know who I was...
Amazing! ninja completely forgot (whether intentionally or not) why he got banned, even though we repeatedly stated why time and time again, he refuses to admit that he got banned due to <reasons stated above>.So me saying this: Unfortunately, you have missed quite a key point in what led to you being rejected last time, and due to that, we have reached the conclusion that you are not yet ready to have your ban revoked. Once you do realise what you did wrong, and prove to us that you wish to improve in that area, or that you already have, do let us know and we will revise our decision appropriately. Until then, have a good day. Is not so surprising now, is it? Am I expected to repeatedly quote the same message over and over again whilst being ignored? Lacky , if you truly believe this is what administrators are for, then I can't provide much more than this. As for the application, I will consult with the team, although I wouldn't get my hopes up. |
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Post by Lacky on Jun 22, 2023 17:54:06 GMT
Thanks for stating every single reason, I haven't really bothered to look at the previous rejected applies, but this helps, I will ask Ninja about the reasons since I didn't know any of the reasons he was banned, again, thanks, he will probably post something in response to both of those reasons; (commenting on a hacker's video, using DDoS threats as names) although, I do remember him telling me he downloaded the cheat as a way of developing some sort of anti cheat for his own server, I cannot say anything more than that because that's all I have
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Ninja
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Post by Ninja on Jun 22, 2023 19:59:43 GMT
Hello, thank you very much for taking your time, both to Lacky for helping me with the issue, and to the active moderators within the community. Exactly around those days I had no access to any device to be able to answer or access the forum, when I got a new cell phone I focused more on my studies since I was finishing high school at that time. I had nowhere to communicate, at that time I did not have a cell phone because my family is of low economic resources for the country. At that time we were going through many heat peaks in the province which brought many power outages for large areas, this caused the computer to short and burn all components, it really was not good so it bothered me a lot because I was left with no way to play. I never changed my username at any time, it was always the one in my USGN or Steam account. Sincerely I had to talk to the communities in private with the respective owners of those times so they can proceed to unban me, I was banned from everywhere for those comments, first consult how it worked to access the download which is already ugly but my motive was worth the risk, I currently have a team of developers who develop anticheats for games (rather specific servers), that is the idea. I consulted the operation, then I consulted for its HUD because it looked very nice and I wanted to give an extra touch to my game. The reason for this was to start a project which is anti aim assist/silent aim/aim lock, in the game I could notice several of these types of cheaters participating in casual games, that led me to the decision to start such a project. I was very surprised by what NoTy answered me in the second appeal, it is not a mistake that harms my image, I downloaded it for other reasons, not to use it as others do... I tried several times to communicate again, but they only kicked me and banned me from their discord server. If they had presented me with all the evidence of this ban from the beginning it would have been solved, but they did not let me know exactly, and when they responded I no longer had access to anything. I never denied it, I kept waiting for the proofs and I was only banned in the FWS discord. I really only got banned for a comment on Youtube like the other communities, I played comeptitive games in europe with the anticheat Moss activated, and nothing happened, there should be a more complete report of the ban not just images and assumptions.... |
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Post by NoTy on Jun 23, 2023 6:38:16 GMT
You're surely not the superhero of this game. Downloading cheats, analyzing everything it can do and then make an anti-cheat doesn't sound bad, but you have no cover behind. I see no official messages to DC or USGN staff that you're planning to develop a certain anti-cheat and you've been given the approval to do whatever with it, I may be wrong, but in that case, you should easily be able to show proof. I don't care what kind of intentions you had, your approach was completely wrong and it led where it led and it's justified in the end.
You can't tell me you have a whole team behind that didn't spend at least 1 second using the cheat in multiplayer to see how it reacts on a server with certain ping and certain players. If you want to make an anti-cheat for the entire game, then the main focus is on multiplayer, and if we're told that none of you spent at least 1 second in multiplayer would be a huge lie. There's no official approval from game's developers and neither from anyone's community, or maybe you hosted one with your friends..
How would you explain the fact that you worked on such thing without anyone's approval?
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Post by Ninja on Jun 24, 2023 4:31:00 GMT
I don't think you need approval to create something you didn't think of, hacks are not created by asking the developer "hey can I create cheats to give advantages to players" I don't think so.
The anticheats are tested in private to not disturb the serenity of the servers (in my way of working), if there are developers who test it on servers with people I think it's pretty bad, we opened a server (not listed) to test in different ways while we were improving the system, and everyone does not have to know what you are doing in my opinion, it is something private, like everyone's life ...
Nobody mentioned a superhero, justified but wrong because they didn't even take the time to look for explanations, as I said before I was moderator of one of your servers (Jail), I invested many hours with my friend Lacky to laugh and pass the time, I never broke a rule, however I saw that you unban people that shouldn't be unbanned (ddosers, cheaters, rule breakers, etc).
If a person wants to do something he will do it without approval, no one needs approval from another person to do something like go to the gym, start working, develop software, etc.
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Post by NoTy on Jun 24, 2023 15:31:08 GMT
That's perfect then. We can now work on your unban. How about you now should us progress of that program/system, so we can clearly see your intentions, and also I would like to talk to one of your "coworkers". That information can be sent in a private group made by us, 2 -[IFwsI]- Admins and you and another member of your team explaining how that's going to work - All this is to clear out the fact that you had good intentions. I want this to happen ASAP and actually see solid work, not some conversations.
On the other hand, you obviously need approval from the game developers since they're the ones owning the game and updating the game. You want this for the good of the community, and they have enough members there in order to check up everything about this program of yours. Nobody will risk downloading and using such program without feedback from someone trustworthy. It could be anything and lead to anything, so think twice before saying such things.
When it comes to assumptions, I personally don't want to see "however I saw that you unban people that shouldn't be unbanned (ddosers, cheaters, rule breakers, etc)." Who are they and why do you think they're what they are? Could you come up with some proof or was that a defensive move to mask the fact that no matter what they've done, they should be given a chance until proven guilty again. That has nothing to do in this unban appeal, and you should be aware of that already.
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Post by Mami Tomoe on Jun 24, 2023 18:18:28 GMT
I don't think you need approval to create something you didn't think of, hacks are not created by asking the developer "hey can I create cheats to give advantages to players" I don't think so. Which is one of the reasons why creating hacks for a multi-player game is frowned upon. In CS2D, hacks are not allowed by the developer (DC) and are frowned upon by basically every server that has any level of moderation. You cannot compare hacks and anti-hacks. To cheat, you need the game developer's permission because it states that one isn't allowed to cheat. But nowhere does it say one isn't allowed to create an anti-cheating tool. But wait, does that mean you didn't need a permission to create your (yet to be confirmed to be real) anti-cheat tool? Wrong! Because in order to create your tool, you made use of real hacks, and for that you do need permission from the game developers! Doing good by doing wrong is not good, and people should stop trying to excuse all means by which they used to reach their ends. If you had created your tool without using said hacks, then it would've been completely fine (albeit hard.) I just wanted to point this nonsensical comparison out. |
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Post by Ninja on Jun 25, 2023 18:19:03 GMT
That's perfect then. We can now work on your unban. How about you now should us progress of that program/system, so we can clearly see your intentions, and also I would like to talk to one of your "coworkers". That information can be sent in a private group made by us, 2 -[IFwsI]- Admins and you and another member of your team explaining how that's going to work - All this is to clear out the fact that you had good intentions. I want this to happen ASAP and actually see solid work, not some conversations. On the other hand, you obviously need approval from the game developers since they're the ones owning the game and updating the game. You want this for the good of the community, and they have enough members there in order to check up everything about this program of yours. Nobody will risk downloading and using such program without feedback from someone trustworthy. It could be anything and lead to anything, so think twice before saying such things. When it comes to assumptions, I personally don't want to see " however I saw that you unban people that shouldn't be unbanned (ddosers, cheaters, rule breakers, etc)." Who are they and why do you think they're what they are? Could you come up with some proof or was that a defensive move to mask the fact that no matter what they've done, they should be given a chance until proven guilty again. That has nothing to do in this unban appeal, and you should be aware of that already.I think it's perfect, but... there is a big problem, as I mentioned before, my whole CPU burned, even the disk (it contained all the files on that disk), it was affected by the intense voltage changes inside the zone, so it shorted out. All my accounts had the 2-step authentication, so not having the previous cell phone, not having the KEYS to add it to the Google Authenticator (cell phone app that allows to receive codes through a specific key), I had to appeal a deletion of my discord, along with all my other accounts (each in their respective brackets). Talking about the team I named, most of them belong to europe, mainly russia and france, I don't know what will become of their life nowadays, I lost all contact with all of them thanks to this... On the other hand (a complaint about your administration, I don't want to offend or attack anyone) I find it unprofessional of you to ban me from your discord asking for simple things... I was just answering... besides it's a community discord, I belonged to your community a long time ago, I never broke a simple rule, they have broken it higher ranks than me and they didn't do anything to them, that's quite annoying because having more rank in the server only advertises you, you should have the same penalty as everyone else... I don't compare at any moment, I use the mentioned logic, according to you or some of you it is necessary to consult for the development of something that improves the game, if it is an external program it has nothing to do with the game, the skins, maps, etc don't need supervision (because they are modifiable files of the game), the anticheat being an external program works depending on the functions that are executed in the system, for example, if you press TAB to see the table, that analyzes the functions that it executes or registers while it is pressed either internal or external of the game, the majority of cheat programs use external and internal functions to disturb/change the game. If everyone wanted to improve the game they would do it, present a finished project to the developers and that's it, it can be incorporated into the game code like using double lines of code to run separately. |
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Post by Mémories. on Jun 26, 2023 5:43:36 GMT
The story gets weirder and funnier. Thanks for a great time. If everyone wanted to improve the game they would do it, present a finished project to the developers and that's it, it can be incorporated into the game code like using double lines of code to run separately. Yes, but... No. The creation of such a project as an anti-cheat must first be approved and accepted by the game's developer or development studio. It always has been and it always will be, for obvious reasons. What's more, an anti-cheat must be continually updated. Don't forget that cheat developers have a very long lead over anti-cheats. So would you be prepared to invest so much effort for... nothing? Curious to see the team you had in France. |
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Post by NoTy on Jun 26, 2023 11:22:19 GMT
Hello!
I speak in the name of everyone here when I say that we really tried to be open minded about this and understanding, we tried to find solutions and look deep into it. I thought we'd finally talk and break it down properly, but you coming up with that ruined any chance of you getting unbanned. I don't know what kind of team that is, but what you all did is extremely unprofessional and also the lack of awareness is unreal. How could anything like this happen? You would've spent countless hours on an anti-cheat with a whole team, but nobody knows how to make a back up or a group where you could hit up with each other from time to time? It's very unrealistic and also I'm still very disappointed that despite all this you still haven't admitted any of your mistakes. Everything has an excuse, plus you keep up with criticism toward us, but you really didn't spend any time trying to understand our part of the story. Everything has been made around you and the fact that you agree with someone else speaking for you is disappointing when it comes to something like this.
What other solution is there to look at? You had the chance here to prove your intentions, I made public the fact that you guys came up with an anti-cheat, so all credits would've gone to you, plus we would look at that with an open mind and even try to help contacting the higher ups of this game as we've been a stable community for all this time and kept the game alive for them.
You really have to understand the mistakes you've made and admit them, it really is time to admit your mistakes.
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Post by Lacky on Jun 26, 2023 21:51:14 GMT
Hello! I speak in the name of everyone here when I say that we really tried to be open minded about this and understanding, we tried to find solutions and look deep into it. I thought we'd finally talk and break it down properly, but you coming up with that ruined any chance of you getting unbanned. I don't know what kind of team that is, but what you all did is extremely unprofessional and also the lack of awareness is unreal. How could anything like this happen? You would've spent countless hours on an anti-cheat with a whole team, but nobody knows how to make a back up or a group where you could hit up with each other from time to time? It's very unrealistic and also I'm still very disappointed that despite all this you still haven't admitted any of your mistakes. Everything has an excuse, plus you keep up with criticism toward us, but you really didn't spend any time trying to understand our part of the story. Everything has been made around you and the fact that you agree with someone else speaking for you is disappointing when it comes to something like this. What other solution is there to look at? You had the chance here to prove your intentions, I made public the fact that you guys came up with an anti-cheat, so all credits would've gone to you, plus we would look at that with an open mind and even try to help contacting the higher ups of this game as we've been a stable community for all this time and kept the game alive for them. You really have to understand the mistakes you've made and admit them, it really is time to admit your mistakes. It is unreal how you guys even care about an anti cheat right after some guy, not gonna point any fingers, was unbanned right after DDoSing multiple servers for being found a hacker and punished for it, even then, if you really did care about it, you would now understand the pc has FRIED, and a FRIED computer is UNABLE of BOOTING because It's FRIED, and therefore, cannot be USED, but all you guys are thinking right now is "was it even real?", because you guys couldn't care any less about the anti cheat, instead, you care about you making a deserved punishment, rather than the community and how it could grow, you think ninja is some sort of hacker because you can't assume the responsability of punishing someone for no reason and without any proof, because you are too proud, which, even though he isn't, if he were to hack he would probably either way be unbanned just by saying "sorry", considering the mentioned case at the start. Anyways, as I was saying, whenever you lose a computer and you don't have any phone, you lose contact with any foreigner you know of, specially those that are from different continents, there was no way to avoid losing contact except writing down a paper with their contacts / a server with them inside it, which, let's be honest, nobody does. Either way, they were probably more professional than whoever is in charge of unbanning people, because I can't think of them doing any more harm that what is currently being done to someone that deserves none whatsoever, but even if he were to develop some sort of anti cheat, what's so wrong about it? Does anyone even have the minimal idea of what being brave really means? If someone really is brave, It's ninja, unlike others, he actually thought of ending as much cheats as he could, while others were instead unbanning cheaters themselves, huh, great idea isn't it? Probably as good as an idea as then later asking for the anti cheat themselves. Anyhow, the part of the story the staff represent is giving thoughts about anything, I haven't seen any helpful thing except Mami's reply showing what was the real reason for the punishment (thanks again even though it didn't happen). The only mistake Ninja ever made was leaking his idea of the anti cheat, because now cheaters can easily look at this and make an quick patch to further prolong the time it takes to change anything Also, you are right, as hard as it is for me to say this, making an anti-cheat does have an excuse, it is for avoiding cheaters ruining the fun, I'm glad you understood that part clear Someone speaking for Ninja how? If you're talking about me, I only do it because he is a friend and he has a lot of grammar issues of which I fix the ones that could lead to confusion or different meanings, of which I ask what he meant by them and change them myself. Everything else is made by him from the ground-up Also, do you need me to say what is disappointing? Because after all the responses I have given and how directed they are, I'm pretty sure you all know but in case you still don't understand, my mouth can open widely and spell out a few names The other solution in-hand is to simply revoke the ban, as there is no reason to further keep it up, unless you want to pull out from reasons with a rope, which you are free to do, but will lose one player to a pride issue, but there is another solution that could also work, rebuild a new script from the ground-up, asking for permission from DC if you wish, using Ninja's past experience with the anti-cheat as some sort of guide of what to do. I have no idea how the latter would work since Ninja had a team and I don't know if he has enough experience to do it alone, but you should ask him instead Why is this so directed to the administration and what they do? I have been patient all the way since 2021, but, they won't understand a simple thing as a computer being fried, which turned out to impatience from my side, that has been on hold for, probably 1 year and a half?, huh, well, at least it's better than being banned since 3 years, isn't it? It probably is |
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Post by Mémories. on Jun 26, 2023 22:35:05 GMT
Lacky, if only you could think with your brain and at least understand my message instead of spouting unparalleled nonsense.
Actually, from my personal point of view, I'm not denigrating or accusing Ninja of anything. I'm just bouncing off the fact that he wants to create an anti cheat and the steps he has to take if he wants to be legal. Moreover, as I've said before in my posts, a hack developer will always be one step ahead of the anti-cheats, so you have to be ready to update it continuously, and I strongly emphasize this point. And personally, I can't see anyone continuing to develop an anti-cheat and constantly updating it (alone ??) without any real benefit behind it. It'll end up like DC and the CS2D updates: a stoppage.
To be honest, I think it's a waste of time and won't do any good.
To conclude... You have to take this as advice more than anything else... Too bad you don't understand it.
Cya.
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Post by Lacky on Jun 27, 2023 1:02:09 GMT
Lacky, if only you could think with your brain and at least understand my message instead of spouting unparalleled nonsense. Actually, from my personal point of view, I'm not denigrating or accusing Ninja of anything. I'm just bouncing off the fact that he wants to create an anti cheat and the steps he has to take if he wants to be legal. Moreover, as I've said before in my posts, a hack developer will always be one step ahead of the anti-cheats, so you have to be ready to update it continuously, and I strongly emphasize this point. And personally, I can't see anyone continuing to develop an anti-cheat and constantly updating it (alone ??) without any real benefit behind it. It'll end up like DC and the CS2D updates: a stoppage. To be honest, I think it's a waste of time and won't do any good. To conclude... You have to take this as advice more than anything else... Too bad you don't understand it. Cya. I see what you mean, good thing ninja told me some minutes ago he doesn't really want to begin again making an anti-cheat because he currently has to study, work, satisfy his needs, etc |
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